Permachink Lifeline? - Deck Stain Questions and Answers

RE: Permachink Lifeline?

Nolan — Wed, 12 Apr 2017 19:59:41 +0000

Thanks! :)

RE: Permachink Lifeline?

Scott Paul ~ Restoring Wood & Decks Since 1993 — Wed, 12 Apr 2017 17:52:48 +0000

Almost all oil based stains contain trans-oxides if they have tint in the coating. It is gimmicky because their claims of internal hardening will not make the coating last any longer when it comes to UV protection.

RE: Permachink Lifeline?

Nolan — Tue, 11 Apr 2017 17:32:57 +0000

WOW! Doing some more research here on other forums and websites...what a lot of opposing views!

Thanks again for your side though. Why do you call these gimmicky finishes? Is it because oils don't dry and just wash out with the weather?....

One thing I found that sounds good maybe, is that Cutek can have trans oxide tints added to it. And I've read that these are the best UV blockers. What do think?

I wonder if Messmers has trans oxides added?

RE: Permachink Lifeline?

Scott Paul ~ Restoring Wood & Decks Since 1993 — Tue, 11 Apr 2017 12:38:41 +0000

Posted by: Nolan

Thanks again!
Do you know anything about Cutek Extreme? (while we're at it) :)
Sorry, this is what happens when I can't work with a sore back....!

Cutek was brought over from Australia and promised internal stabilization that would help harden the wood cells. I believe they add a silica that dives deep in the wood to react with the alkali, potentially stabilizing the cells. It is not the first gimmick type product to promise longer life for wood but is the latest. Other similar products attempted to make a claim and all were found out to not actually help. They added tints for their products to help with some color UV fading. Never actually used it though so have no idea on the viability to it.

RE: Permachink Lifeline?

Nolan — Tue, 11 Apr 2017 01:10:49 +0000

Thanks again!

Do you know anything about Cutek Extreme? (while we're at it) :)

Sorry, this is what happens when I can't work with a sore back....!

RE: Permachink Lifeline?

Scott Paul ~ Restoring Wood & Decks Since 1993 — Mon, 10 Apr 2017 21:43:53 +0000

The Messmers is a decent stain and is easy to reapply. The Defy Would most likely give better UV protection from fading.

RE: Permachink Lifeline?

Nolan — Mon, 10 Apr 2017 03:53:52 +0000

Thanks! Good to know.

So in the long run, would I be better to just go with Messmers, or order the Defy extreme?

RE: Permachink Lifeline?

Scott Paul ~ Restoring Wood & Decks Since 1993 — Sun, 09 Apr 2017 21:57:55 +0000

The Messmers will have less of buildup than the Sikkens SRD. Oil based stains, in general, will penetrate better than water based and film less because of this.

RE: Permachink Lifeline?

Nolan — Sun, 09 Apr 2017 14:42:35 +0000

Thanks.

I found that I can get Messmers stain locally. And like your review, it seems not bad. Especially if it's one of their tinted stains that would've probably done better with the UV rating, on your review.

But, am I going to find the same issue of too much build up, like with the SRD? I know it penetrates well, but after a few maintenance coats, there's gotta be a build up. Then with the oil based resins, that are more brittle than waterborne, acrylic resins, I'd get the peeling again. Correct?

Keeping in mind, I tend to keep up on my maintenance. I know, a bit rare these days...:)

So I wonder if I'd be better off with a water base stain. As it would build up, the softer resins would weather better, similar to a solid water base stain?

Maybe I'm overthinking again! lol

Please help before my mind blows!

Nolan

RE: Permachink Lifeline?

Scott Paul ~ Restoring Wood & Decks Since 1993 — Sun, 09 Apr 2017 11:52:34 +0000

Unfortunately, we have no experience with the Permachink product. Being you are Canada, you are not going to find some of the better products in your local stores. The SW stains are not a favorite for us on decking, but in general, all exterior semi-trans stains will do much better on verticals. Problem is you want one the does not build up or film, and the only water-based stain that does this well is the Defy products. I am not sure of there is a good product for you to buy locally that does what you would like.